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		<title>By: Elizabeth Chapin</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim, I appreciate your thoughtful comments. Yes, I have heard of Pascal&#039;s wager and you have rightly determined one of the problems many Christians experience with that kind of thinking - they neglect the reality of the here and now. Certainly there may have been times when I have neglected to live in the moment or focused too much on the hope of life after death, but for the most part I strive to appreciate God at work in my everyday circumstances and hope to make this present world a better place. Your argument is a good one - let&#039;s invert that wager and see what happens. 

A friend of mine wrote a book where he challenges the notion of Christians asking the question, &quot;What if you were to die tonight?&quot; And instead asks, &quot;What if you were to live tomorrow?&quot; I referenced this book at the end of my post. In essence, it turns Pascal&#039;s wager on it&#039;s head as you suggest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I appreciate your thoughtful comments. Yes, I have heard of Pascal&#8217;s wager and you have rightly determined one of the problems many Christians experience with that kind of thinking &#8211; they neglect the reality of the here and now. Certainly there may have been times when I have neglected to live in the moment or focused too much on the hope of life after death, but for the most part I strive to appreciate God at work in my everyday circumstances and hope to make this present world a better place. Your argument is a good one &#8211; let&#8217;s invert that wager and see what happens. </p>
<p>A friend of mine wrote a book where he challenges the notion of Christians asking the question, &#8220;What if you were to die tonight?&#8221; And instead asks, &#8220;What if you were to live tomorrow?&#8221; I referenced this book at the end of my post. In essence, it turns Pascal&#8217;s wager on it&#8217;s head as you suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Battle</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elizabeth --

I haven&#039;t been by your blog in a long while, but I thought to stop by tonight (nothing like having work to do to remind you to take time doing more carefree things).  I&#039;m glad to see you are still searching in earnest, and writing so nakedly and thoughtfully.

In most complex endeavors, having doubt rooted in humility (not fear) is a good thing, an acknowledgment of past failures and a desire to not repeat them.

As you know, I am a non-believer.  A kind-hearted believer might pity me, and suspect that I&#039;m a poorer person for not seeing God&#039;s presence all around me.

But what I conclude from your penultimate paragraph is your faith (a.k.a. belief in a reality that transcends what you can touch, see or feel) has somehow robbed you of an appreciation of the here and now.  You asked, &quot;Is there a way of life that is worth living?&quot;, presumably in absence of God.

There is the famous argument known as Pascal&#039;s Wager, which you undoubtedly have heard: one might as well believe in God, for if he doesn&#039;t exist, one hasn&#039;t lost much, but if He does exist, your belief will be worth the investment.  It&#039;s a truly cynical argument, but there are people whose &quot;faith&quot; is based on it.

Well, how about inverting Pascal&#039;s Wager?  Whether or not God is there after we die, for now you are here on Earth, so make the most of it.  Don&#039;t discount the beauty and pleasures of the worldly plane because they don&#039;t measure up to the perfect never ending glory promised in the afterlife.

So in answer to your question, &quot;&quot;Is there a way of life that is worth living?&quot; [without faith], I assure you there are many millions of people who are living it, happily.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth &#8211;</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been by your blog in a long while, but I thought to stop by tonight (nothing like having work to do to remind you to take time doing more carefree things).  I&#8217;m glad to see you are still searching in earnest, and writing so nakedly and thoughtfully.</p>
<p>In most complex endeavors, having doubt rooted in humility (not fear) is a good thing, an acknowledgment of past failures and a desire to not repeat them.</p>
<p>As you know, I am a non-believer.  A kind-hearted believer might pity me, and suspect that I&#8217;m a poorer person for not seeing God&#8217;s presence all around me.</p>
<p>But what I conclude from your penultimate paragraph is your faith (a.k.a. belief in a reality that transcends what you can touch, see or feel) has somehow robbed you of an appreciation of the here and now.  You asked, &#8220;Is there a way of life that is worth living?&#8221;, presumably in absence of God.</p>
<p>There is the famous argument known as Pascal&#8217;s Wager, which you undoubtedly have heard: one might as well believe in God, for if he doesn&#8217;t exist, one hasn&#8217;t lost much, but if He does exist, your belief will be worth the investment.  It&#8217;s a truly cynical argument, but there are people whose &#8220;faith&#8221; is based on it.</p>
<p>Well, how about inverting Pascal&#8217;s Wager?  Whether or not God is there after we die, for now you are here on Earth, so make the most of it.  Don&#8217;t discount the beauty and pleasures of the worldly plane because they don&#8217;t measure up to the perfect never ending glory promised in the afterlife.</p>
<p>So in answer to your question, &#8220;&#8221;Is there a way of life that is worth living?&#8221; [without faith], I assure you there are many millions of people who are living it, happily.</p>
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